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  • permalinkRe: Renting Your Next Power Wheelchair...

    TriDog

    Posted on: Wed, Nov 18 2009 12:38 PM

    mcjane:
    I think it was TriDog who started a thread  "Why is it so hard to get a new chair?"  Some of the stories were appalling!   The one that stuck in my mind was the client being asked "Do you have Medicare?"  and when they said NO they were hung up on!

     

    I've seen my chair in a catalog for $l,500...but Medicaid was billed twice that amount. 

     

    That was me.  When looking to order a new chair, I had 2 vendors that couldn't help me because I wasn't on Medicare/Medicad.   One did plainly hang up on me. The other one as asking how I was going to make the co-pay?  I said, how do you want it?  Cash? Check or Credit Card?  She actually sugested I get Medicad as a secondary insurance.  When I said no, they still wouldn't deal with me.

     

    The third vendor I called was fantastic.  I met her at her office, which was right around the corner from my house. We played with about 15 different chairs for over an hour.  Once I picked the TiLite, she took the measurements and handled everything from there on... 

     

    This is about payinng for the chair.  If the govt is picking up the tab, and the user isn't contributing anything,  then renting/leasing the chair makes perfect sense. From a maintence and repair stand point.  It might be a loittle more expensive per month, but there will be fewer emergency repairs.  Not to mention, in the contract, things like loaner chairs while yours is being repaired, can be written in...  This works for everyone because emergency repairs are expensive as all hell. 

    "If you can't fly, then run. If you can't run, then walk. If you can't walk, then crawl, but you must keep moving forward." - Martin Luther King Jr
  • permalinkRe: Renting Your Next Power Wheelchair...

    Hotwlzs

    Posted on: Fri, Nov 20 2009 12:42 PM

    You are right about customized wheelchairs, although the point you missed was that,you will not have providers who will rent power wheelchairs. They can not wait for 13 months to reimbursed, so what you get is on the floor, and what they have available is not what is custom for your disability. 

    Why would anyone want to rent their power wheelchair?

    Yes the service is provided on repairs on what chair they gave you. You will not get the right chair.

     

    It is not about weather you get a custom wheelchair or not, the fact is that the providers can not hold out  for the rental payment, they will drop the service that leaves an access problem. That is what is true.

    If you reach you can grasp the stars. But you have to reach.
  • permalinkRe: Renting Your Next Power Wheelchair...

    Hotwlzs

    Posted on: Fri, Nov 20 2009 12:46 PM

    This is about payinng for the chair.  If the govt is picking up the tab, and the user isn't contributing anything,  then renting/leasing the chair makes perfect sense.

    Like I said above you make a good point. But only if Providers will rent the chairs, then you will get the chair that they have on the floor and that does not fit your disability, that is what will cause an access problem.  Why renting is not good.
    If you reach you can grasp the stars. But you have to reach.
  • permalinkRe: Renting Your Next Power Wheelchair...

    Hotwlzs

    Posted on: Fri, Nov 20 2009 12:57 PM

    Lily -- Disaboom Site Admin

    Posted on: Tue, Nov 17 2009 10:06 AM

    Thanks for introducing this topic, Madonna.  I've done a little bit of research but I still have questions about this proposed measure:

     

    If the chair rental is brand-new, will they charge the full price of a new wheelchair if the person decides to purchase it after 13 months?  Or will the price be depreciated to the cost of a one-year-old used wheelchair?

    Lilly, you will have the same wheelchair after the 13th months its now paid for and you own it.  No other cost to the medicare beneficary.

     

    If the chair rental is used and reconditioned, how do they determine the cost for purchase after 13 months of rental?  Are they proposing a system to evaluate the model and condition of wheelchairs, kind of like the Kelley Blue Book for cars?  Well, this is something we will have to see when the program is implemented. Because we don't know how Providers will do this, with chairs that someone who has had prior and is reconditioned. I believe you get what you get, and that will be it.

    Could this be an attempt to control what is perceived as excessive mark-ups in the cost of wheelchairs by the equipment supply companies? 

     I've read that wheelchair supply companies add a huge mark-up when they know that Medicare is going to be billed.  

    Keep in mind they only get paid for what they buy. Not the service of the chair, many providers go above and beyond this part for their clients.  They do not get paid for endless travel and time to fit you for the chair, then to make sure that chair fits your disability, they only get paid for the chair. So keep in mind those costs of employees, time, travel and fuel and more are not calculated in the cost of that wheelchair.  So you get a wheelchair that is paid for, the provider gets paid, but he is not reimbursed for  making sure that chair fits you. There is so much involved for the provider to make sure the chair and power chairs are complex. REMEMBER we are TALKING Power Wheelchairs, .... so if you need head rests, certain other components that takes time.

     

    Maybe this is a knee-jerk reaction to what some government officials believe is a Medicare fraud problem...?? Fraud is on Medicare parts, they knew companies were fraudlent and the good providers told Medicare that, they kept paying them, or did not site inspections, then they kept giving Medicare #s to new companies that they were not checking out.

    Trust me, if People with Disabilities Do not wake up, they will lose all the good providers, because of this. I have had 2 providers for 28 years, and they are the good guys who will be gone. There are many issues in this health care reform that affect people who need power wheelchairs on of them is competitve bidding and elimination of the first month purchase option for power wheelchairs.  Hang on for the ride.. OR call your senator today.. .and tell them you don't want to rent a power wheelchair.

     Thank you so much for your input and discussion on these issues.  Madonna

    If you reach you can grasp the stars. But you have to reach.
  • permalinkRe: Renting Your Next Power Wheelchair...

    swan

    Posted on: Fri, Nov 20 2009 1:09 PM

    Hotwlzs:
    Keep in mind they only get paid for what they buy. Not the service of the chair, many providers go above and beyond this part for their clients.  They do not get paid for endless travel and time to fit you for the chair, then to make sure that chair fits your disability, they only get paid for the chair. So keep in mind those costs of employees, time, travel and fuel and more are not calculated in the cost of that wheelchair.  So you get a wheelchair that is paid for, the provider gets paid, but he is not reimbursed for  making sure that chair fits you. There is so much involved for the provider to make sure the chair and power chairs are complex. REMEMBER we are TALKING Power Wheelchairs, .... so if you need head rests, certain other components that takes time.

     

    Wow - I never thought about that. that makes a big difference. Thank you, Madonna, for bringing this up. I know my oxygen provider doesn't get paid much for what they provide. We certainly don't want our providers going out of business!

     

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  • permalinkRe: Renting Your Next Power Wheelchair...

    TriDog

    Posted on: Fri, Nov 20 2009 4:14 PM

    Hotwlzs:
    Like I said above you make a good point. But only if Providers will rent the chairs, then you will get the chair that they have on the floor and that does not fit your disability, that is what will cause an access problem.  Why renting is not good.

    You're not thinking out of the box.   If the Govt is only "renting" chairs for the user, then the providers will need to change the way they do business.  It won't take any longer for the provider to assemble a rental then it would if they were simply purchasing the chair for the user.  Also, they can't keep that many floor models around to just issue those.

    "If you can't fly, then run. If you can't run, then walk. If you can't walk, then crawl, but you must keep moving forward." - Martin Luther King Jr